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...or is it only coincidental?

The 12 tribes of Israel.
The 12 disciples of Jesus.
The 12 Gods in ancient Greece.
The 12 Knights of the Round Table (according to King Arthur's legend).
The 12 members in the Order of the Garter.
The 12 nymphs of Valhalla (according to Scandinavian mythology).
The 12 signs of the zodiac.

...just to name a few that come to mind... What's with number 12 anyway? Anyone has a clue?

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Perhaps it has to do with the cycles of the moon? Meaning, 12 lunar months, so 12 became an important number?

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12 comes after 11, just like 13 comes after 12 and so on.......

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12 comes after 11, just like 13 comes after 12 and so on.......

Simply coincidental, you think? I have to agree with you, since no other possible explanation comes to mind (except maybe for that of addi's). Still it's kinda funny the way some numbers tend to "prevail" in certain occasions. And, you know what? Fractal's mathematical theory is based upon such numeral oddities...

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I think that "moons" are a pretty good explanation. Imagine a neolithic society where people have to come up with a way to predict seasons - for planting, harvesting and such. Maybe even earlier, hunter and gatherer societies kept track of the moon in order to predict the seasons when animals migrated or when to expect winter.

I can see how the number twelve could have been very important in earlier societies, and maybe important enough to gain special significance. And most examples that Alpha gave, point back to agrarian societies, at least.

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Hmmmm. Not bad an explanation. Not bad at all... emoticon

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Another one to your list

12 Imams.
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Alpha Centauri wrote:

...or is it only coincidental?

The 12 tribes of Israel.
The 12 disciples of Jesus.
The 12 Gods in ancient Greece.
The 12 Knights of the Round Table (according to King Arthur's legend).
The 12 members in the Order of the Garter.
The 12 nymphs of Valhalla (according to Scandinavian mythology).
The 12 signs of the zodiac.

...just to name a few that come to mind... What's with number 12 anyway? Anyone has a clue?



12=1+2= 3 = jupiter planet of love and money




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12=1+2= 3 = venus planet of love and money

Oh?... I thought Venus was number 2 on the list... Pls, reconsider...

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Yes, I think planet 3 is just "money".... emoticon

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[sorry guys it jupiter =3 which mean money and luck

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Well, planet number 3 in our solar system is still good old Terra. emoticon

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...or is it only coincidental?

The 12 tribes of Israel.
The 12 disciples of Jesus.



The number of disciples was deliberately chosen to reflect the 12 tribes of Israel. Jesus was a Jew, remember, so that sort of thing was important to him. So there is a connection but it's deliberate, not mystical.


The 12 Gods in ancient Greece.



Not sure where you get this number. My encyclopaedia lists several dozen; which 12 are you thinking of, specifically?


The 12 Knights of the Round Table (according to King Arthur's legend).



Again, I have no idea where you get this number from. The Round Table preserved at Winchester has spaces for 24 knights. I've read versions of the legend with even more -- over 100 in one case (though I would be pushed to name them all ;) ).


The 12 members in the Order of the Garter.



Ah, no again. The order consists of the king (or queen) plus 25 knights. Plus (occasionally) foreign monarchs are made honorary garter knights, their number being in addition to the 25 English knights.


The 12 nymphs of Valhalla (according to Scandinavian mythology).



Not sure about this one.


The 12 signs of the zodiac.



Apart from 12 being a convenient factor of 360? I'm not sure, there may be another reason but I don't recall.


...just to name a few that come to mind... What's with number 12 anyway? Anyone has a clue?



It doesn't seem to be as prevalent as you think it is.

Of course, you omitted: Bilbo and Frodo's combined age was 144 (12 x 12) at Bilbo's last birthday party, and the number of special guests in the grand marquee was also 144. Amazing coincidence!

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David Meadows wrote:
...Jesus was a Jew, remember....

Oh? I though he was God... emoticon

The 12 Gods in ancient Greece. Not sure where you get this number. My encyclopaedia lists several dozen; which 12 are you thinking of, specifically?.

I'm referring to the 12 "primary" gods on Mount Olympus. Being a Greek myself, I happen to know...

The 12 Knights of the Round Table (according to King Arthur's legend). The 12 members in the Order of the Garter. The 12 nymphs of Valhalla (according to Scandinavian mythology).

This is what I've found on the net in the past, so I'm not sure about it either. But if you say it ain't so, then that's fine with me.

The 12 signs of the zodiac. Apart from 12 being a convenient factor of 360? I'm not sure, there may be another reason but I don't recall.

So are numbers 3, 4 and 9, but then again it might have to do with the 12 months (oops, another 12 we've got here...)

It doesn't seem to be as prevalent as you think it is.

I'm not really into arithmology and the like. In fact, I tend to be pretty skeptical about all this... Although it seems to me that certain numbers DO prevail in certain eras of human civilization, as in a fractal-like manner... Coincidence? By all odds, yes... Anyway, I don't know much about Frodo and his gang, either. LOTR has never been my cup of tea...

BTW: Nice post... Keep 'em coming...

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A slight change in topic flow....

I have been wondering how and why it was determined that dozen signifies 12?

Well websters online dictionary defines dozen as................

dozen - the cardinal number that is the sum of eleven and one

But I am not really sure that answers my question. How was the cardinal number reached and why was it called dozen?

Dozen has to come from a certain language (I am guessing Latin)

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Yes, Rusty, it does come from latin: duodecim = twelve.

I would still think that the importance of that number has to do with the moon and the twelve months it takes to fill a year - more or less. A lot of other uses would depend on that, the zodiac being one, for example.

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I have twelve dollar in my wallet; does that count? emoticon

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Hmm, I'm not sure. Why don't you send it to me and I'll examine it and let you know? emoticon emoticon
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Well of course...once I have enough funds.... emoticon
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i havnt had time to read this all through yet but:


addi30 wrote:

Perhaps it has to do with the cycles of the moon? Meaning, 12 lunar months, so 12 became an important number?



actually, 12 calender months, there are actually 13 lunar months,
and a bakers dosen is 13, but im not sure where that comes in.

the imperial (is that right) mesurment is the reason for the dosen, the 12 hours of a clock and the 12 months.
the two zodiacs are both based on the stars, however they cannot be older than the calender to change every year (or month), and time as we know is imperial, so 12.

round table: 360 devided by 30 is 12, but that was knights pluss the head of the table, right? if not then if each of the 12 was given 20 deggreese of table then that would give elbow room and all, maby they couldnt take any more people? maby it was half the size of the one at winchester?

there were more than 12 god of greece, and i think there were 12 sons/daughters of gaia whos power was split up between the 12, who in-tern had many, many sons and daughters (zues had most didnt he?) problem is to many people belive the squeeky-clean disney movies (which arnt all that clean anyway)

i dont have ideas for the others, sorry, im not feeling to good atm

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there were more than 12 god of greece

Like I've already said above, I'm referring to the 12 "primary" gods on Mount Olympus.

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and a bakers dosen is 13, but im not sure where that comes in.




Because the theroy is, they always made an 'extra' to use for checking purposes, taste, consistancy and so on.

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i know why i jus ddint know if that anything to do with what i was saying :)

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oh and 12 tribes of Islam too ;)
no, I'm not nuts...the Muslims are decended from Abraham through Esau who had twelve sons to match Jacob's (Isreal's) twelve sons :)


Also the number three is of interesting significance, and not just for Christianity
I recently read an article about it and how humans have three on the brain, quite fascinating really, if I find it again I'll post a link. There seem to be three of everyting ;)

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yeah, 3 is very common, theres this 3 hairs thing, like the rabbits, where theres three rabbits running in a circle with theyre ears making a triangle. i cant remember where i heard it (i think on the radio) but theyre quite common in several differnt religions (including christianity)
theyre reckon its got somethin to do with the moon and women.
maby its 'cos when were lil kids we cant concintrate on more than 3 things at a time.

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here's A site... not the original...but it has some interesting things (you may have to weed through some siily crap)

http://cenocracy.topcities.com/cro24.html

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7s:
magnificant 7
seven dwarfs
seven deadly sins
seven virtues
seven wonders of ancient world
seven seas
seven sizes of grand piano
seven children of barron von trapp (sound of music)
seven colours of the rainbow
seven days of creation
seven hills of rome
seven ages of man (shakespeare)
seven japaneese gods of luck
(from 1940 to 1962) bing crosby and bob hopes 7 road movies.
seven ionian islands
seven medieval champions of chritendom
seven gifts of the holy spirit
the seven sisters
seven spirital works of mercy
seven corporal works of mercy
the seven stars in the taurus constillation visible to the naked eye, named after the daughters of the titan atlas and the oceanid pleione in greek mythology.

anyone else think of any? il do 3s and 12s later :D

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