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As I was browsing I came upon this site:
 http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm
which, I thought, presented an interesting point of view...worth checking out!...

Also: http://www.bartleby.com/65/cr/Crusades.html
Another good site -more conventional - for info on the Crusades.

Enjoy.

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  That first site was perfect and really summed up the truth behind the crusades. Just take a look at my avatar now that was a guy who had some serious hang ups with Islam and he wasn't really religous at all.

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Alric Rahl wrote:That first site was perfect and really summed up the truth behind the crusades. Just take a look at my avatar now that was a guy who had some serious hang ups with Islam and he wasn't really religous at all.


I have... Care to tell us a little about him? It might start a nice discussion.

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Yeah, Alric, please do...

BTW: I took the liberty to modify your avatar a bit, so the ...count doesn't look so stretched... Here you are:

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You can save it and upload it to your image server, or you can simply link to the image address above, should you want to.

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Very interesting article, in the first link.

What I found remarkable is that during those times of Crusades, it was the Muslim world that was more advanced scientifically (which was not mentioned specifically in that article). And the tide only turned, when Europe caught up and finally surpassed the Muslim world in science and economy.

Looking at that history, I would still prefer to avoid the word "crusade" nowadays. Yes, we might be fighting fundamental Islam. But - we want to be different from fundamental Islam, right? Then we should not call out a "crusade" or "jihad" as it's done from their side. Stooping to terrorists' levels just means we are turning into terrorists ourselves.


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Firlefanz wrote:Looking at that history, I would still prefer to avoid the word "crusade" nowadays. Yes, we might be fighting fundamental Islam. But - we want to be different from fundamental Islam, right? Then we should not call out a "crusade" or "jihad" as it's done from their side. Stooping to terrorists' levels just means we are turning into terrorists ourselves.

I totally agree. In my book war is excused only if it is defensive; real defensive though, not an excuse used to justify the darker side of man and his need for power, as most wars are. Certainly some of the crusades fell into that category even if they started as defensive wars. However, I chose that article out of a sense of fairness because I like for both sides to be heard and, usually, what you hear about the crusades is mainly negative.

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Oh, yes, C Berenice, I totally agree. That was a very good article. I just wanted to point out something that might even add to it.

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Firlefanz wrote:Oh, yes, C Berenice, I totally agree. That was a very good article. I just wanted to point out something that might even add to it.

And so it did, Firle, so it did but...I have a request ...er...keep 'em coming more often will ya?...(Hands horsewoman a fresh crunchy carrot)...

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*Horsewoman accepts the carrot gracefully*

I'll try, C Berenice, I'll try. emoticon

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Good read - thanks for the links! :)
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Hehe..."Lady of Shallot"indeed. Have we been looking at the same site? If not check it out:
http://www.mythicalrealm.com/legends/shalott.html
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I love, love, love that poem!

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