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 This sort of reminds me of the saying: If a tree falls in an unpopulated forest does it make a sound? emoticon

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HEY! my first post here ever!! heh (im from another board but this place is awesome!!!)

I'd just like to hop back to the original post by Panzar when he was talking about God...( stay with me... remember im new :P ) i believe this little thought is from the book hyperspace... don't remember exactly heh...
anywho, we are three dimensional being (excluding time as a dimension) right?? okay... from there is we picture a completely 2d world we see a person laying flat on his "side," he can look only one direction and he can only shuffle his feet to walk, this person can never turn around or see behind him (of course he could have eyes on both sides of his head, but thats not my point here) we, being 3d being could reach INSIDE this 2d being without breaking his outter layer, or skin, or whatever it may be...
now, if god is a being outside of our dimension (at this point add the dimension of time back in... making 2d 3d and making 3d 4d) could God reach in through time to move us around?? is he a being completely beyond our dimension of time?? or would a being of a higher dimension only be able to operate on us as we are on a 2d being??

i think thats what i mean... heh!!

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That's an interesting way of looking at it. I will have to ponder this a bit . . .

Have you ever read Madeline L'engle, Lok?

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I have not heh... never heard of her to tell you the truth :P
I am what you might call a mediocre philosopher... if you could call me a philosopher at all :P heh

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I agree with Lyssah, this is a very interesting theory, Lok. I think its worth "pondering"on!..emoticon


BTW: I welcome you on board. Glad to have you. emoticon

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Thanks!! ;)
To tell you the truth I was nervous about posting cause you guys are really intimidating and I didnt want to look like a fool :P

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Intimidating? Us? Why, whatever could you mean? emoticon

And I, too, welcome you to the board. it's good to find more people interested in our online debate (by which I mean opinionated squabbles from the safety of the web).

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Hey Lok, don't worry about looking like a fool here, amongst fools another fool looks normal.
I am not following your argument, could you refer me to the book it is from? It sounds interesting but I do not have a full picture in my head yet.


online debate


Kinda sounds like a bunch of folks entirely too fond of expressing their own version of hot air. . . I include my self in this. LOL
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yeah its called
Hyperspace : A Scientific Odyssey Through Parallel Universes, Time Warps, and the 10th Dimension

by Michio Kaku

I've not read the whole thing but my brother had borrowed it from someone and i looked though it and just from the few pages i looked at it seemed really fascinating

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Lok wrote:

yeah its called
Hyperspace : A Scientific Odyssey Through Parallel Universes, Time Warps, and the 10th Dimension


by Michio Kaku



Thank you! I will look it up at the library.

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Time was always there. Time will always be there.
Maybe we don't measure time the right way or there are many oher ways to measure time but time exists.
Lust like a river that never turns back time will keep on going. My question always was ... can we turn back time? can we travel into time? emoticon

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time is just a label for progression, but all words are just labels for things we are trying to describe... if you guys havent watched the movie "waking life" i suggest you go rent it right away it is GREAT

i dont thing "time" exists... only memories, and those may be questionable heh... i dont think it is possible to travel through time either... too many things would change if it ever happened, it would set events in a loop wouldnt it??
if anything like that were possible EVERYTHING in existence would have to turn back as you did... i dont think that seems very possible either heh

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   Maybe the question should be: If we were not mortal beings, would time exist? or... If time does exist, how short is the smallest moment? As an atom or electron or quark are some of the smallest portions of matter. (Let's not even ponder the Higs Bosun) LOL....It seems to me that the true test of whether or not something exists would depend upon the ability to accurately and consistently measure properties and parameters. (Did that make sense?)



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that seems about right... but how could you measure the smallest and largest portions of time... it cant really be done can it? it would be just like trying to find the smallest number on the number line... it would keep breaking down but never bottom out... if you could look at time as a whole i dont think it would be in sections or portions, it would be something like an infinitely long line...every millionth of a second would be longer than you can imagine on this line

and dune... whos to say we are mortal beings??emoticon who knows what happens in death? maybe its just some portion of time we are blind to har har har... maybe its what is "outside the cave" emoticon emoticon

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Since we are biological beings, our ability to understand and measure the passage of time is mostly dependent on our biological clocks. A lot of biological processes are in reality "timed sequences", meaning that they peak and trough, each one having different periods. Our circadian rhythm ( and by "ours" i mean all biological entities-even flowers exhibit those cycles) is a good example of that- it basically regulates our behaviour around a time period that is somewhere between 24 and 36 hours long - some people call it the "day-night" cycle, because light and the absence of it greatly affects it. More on that later, I have to go a ways back in my graduate studies to recall those things :)
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Don't worry - time will pass


A policeman, patrolling near midnight at a local parking spot, saw a couple inside with the dome light on. There was a young man in the driver's seat reading a magazine and a young lady in the back seat knitting.

Stopping to investigate, he walked up to the driver's window and knocked. The young man looked up, cranked the window down, and said, "Yes, Officer?"

"What are you doing?" the policeman asked.

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"How old are you, son?" the officer asked.

"I'm twenty," the boy replied, looking at his watch. "And in about twelve minutes, she'll be eighteen."



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hi everyone,
Im new here and am fasinated by the subjects that are being discussed. well here we go. I believe that time does exist. it is our fourth dimension. you can not observe an object with only three dimensions. in order to see something with your eyes light has to be moving. movement requires time to be passing. any movement is a representation of times effect on an object. the first three dimensions are spatial representations. The fourth is time.
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I'm new around here. But this is an interesting thread - in fact, I asked the identical question on The Book Forum.

Now, does time exist?

A poster above asked if the physical universe exists. I think that is very relevant. Most of us would agree that the physical universe exists, because if it doesn't, then what are we doing talking about it, becuase we would not exist either. Let's grant that the physical universe exists, for the sake of this discussion. If the physical universe exists, than physical objects within the universe exist - and so do their positions - or locations - in the universe.

Suppose at the start of a race, two cars are side by side. After the race starts, the car that accelerates faster is ahead of (closer to the finish line) than the other car. The cars are no longer side by side. The faster car crosses the finish line before the slower car and wins the race.

All this is observable. Now, if time does NOT exist, there can be no such thing as velocity or acceleration, because they are time dependant. In fact, a very great number of physics laws and equations are time dependant. If time does not exist, all that is bunk. And I don't think it is bunk. So time does exist.

Next question...


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