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   Many people will say that "money is the root of all evil" but I have a sneeking feeling that this is nothing more than a red herring. Is money being blamed for something that it hasn't done? Is wealth only a flash in the pan, as far as eternity is concerned, or is it worth striving for in this life given that it seems that being wealthy is the only way to get anything done on this planet and in this time?
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money aint evil on its own, its people WITH the money that make it evil. you cant live without money nowadays, litterally, we BUY our nurishment, we BUY our warmth, we BUY our habitate, we BUY our fun.
you can get by without money, but youl only have the clothes you can make, the food you can make and the toys you make. if you steal you get thrown in the slammer.

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Joe, I do agree with you. Money has been around for much longer than the current problems in our society.

I believe that it's a mistake to use money for measuring happiness, or even success. I believe that inner strength, decency, honestness and plain goodness cannot be measured in money and will not be expressed through owning luxuries.

Plainly, we have come to use a wrong indicator for happiness and success in our lives. I for one believe that quality of live can be attained without being stinking rich.

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Firlefanz wrote: I for one believe that quality of live can be attained without being stinking rich. emoticon

Ok. I'll go with not "stinking" rich but can I, please, be ...er...clean rich? You see, people say that money can't bring you happiness and I agree! However, I would rather be an unhappy-rich than an unhappy-poor person!... Sorry! emoticon
NO, I am NOT "money-hungry"!!!...Just... hungry!
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C Brenice, I readily agree that having enough money so one doesn't need to worry about being warm, fed and clothed as well as buying books does attribute to happiness.

But to be so rich as not to know what to do with the money, that's nice, but most often more of a headache than anything else.

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been rich rich only attracts a better class of friends, and when the moneys gone, so will the friends be.

Instead of money, what say you about going back to the old system of batering?

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beavis wrote:Instead of money, what say you about going back to the old system of batering?

Don't give them any ideas, Beavs, I 'm too old to chase after newly hatched chickens! emoticon

Seriously though? I would love the return to bartering!!!

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C Berenice wrote:
Seriously though? I would love the return to bartering!!!

CB, I would lo-o-o-o-o-ve to see you carrying 10 or 20 tons of tomato with you on your way to the car dealer's shop in order to purchase your brand new BMW 7 series... Seriously...

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Alpha Centauri wrote:CB, I would lo-o-o-o-o-ve to see you carrying 10 or 20 tons of tomato with you on your way to the car dealer's shop in order to purchase your brand new BMW 7 series... Seriously...




 emoticon emoticon I wouldn't! ...I would ask the next door neighbour to haul it in his pick -up, for me ...after all what are neighbours for? Right? emoticon emoticon emoticon

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Hmmm, I thought they were for peeping in through the windows and calling the cops about that suspicious-looking red spot on the sofa. emoticon

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What were to happen if we didn't switch back to bartering, just cut back on monitary purchases and did more transactions as exchanges of services or products?

Example: You start a plumbing buisness with your buddy, but you are not a very good cook and niether is your buddy. Instead of having people pay you to fix their sink, they cook you dinner.

Just a thought.
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Nahhh...I wouldn't do it. How do you pay a good plumber if you are a bad cook? Or vice-versa? And what if you slaved in front of the stove half a day and he only worked for 5 mins changing a faulty faucet?
Nope...I d' rather pay him 4 eggs per hour! Or a bushel of tomatoes for a day's work! That would be less tomatoes for the peeping neighbor to haul to the market! emoticon

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Ah, but bartering does present a problem: how does one determine the worth of their product (i.e., cookie boquets or sliced pineapple) in exchange for services and keep it consistent for all barters? A chiropracter who loves toasted almonds may be willing to crack those tendons for a small handful, but your pyschologist may be apatheic to nuts, and therefore demand more for his services than just a few hundred almonds. What do you do then? Plus, if you sell books at the country, and most of your customers are produce farmers, what the heck are you going to do with all the bushels of corn and tomatoes and squash you are paid in return for your items? See, bartering won't work on the expansive scale we have nowadays. Life is just too complicated. If their were less people, and a great deal more toleration, it might work out, but I think that once you put your hand in a barrel of money, the cash will stick to your fingers.

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I see your point.

But what if everyone had the option of paying in money or in something of the buisness' choice. Like that chiropracter could charge toasted almonds or fifty dollars (I don't know how much chiropracters usually charge). If you had some toasted almonds and could pay with them, you might save a few bucks. You could then put those few bucks toward something you would have to buy with money. For instance a new video game. The large companies' (video game store) alternate for money would probably something that the average joe wouldn't have, like a plot of land to build a warehouse on.

This would help small buisnesses in that they wouldn't have to compete with corporate monopolies. And everyone would get what they want in the long run. The chiroprater with his nuts, you with the extra money for that game, and the game's company gets your money.

Thoughts?
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My solution: raze all corporations and monopolies to the ground, then go buy a bag of potatoes for twenty-five cents at a farmers' market.

For your electrical needs, burn a stack of Atkins Approved cookbooks and meal plans, boil some water for a bath, and enjoy a bowl of whole-grain oatmeal.

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Ahlyssah wrote:

My solution: raze all corporations and monopolies to the ground.




And the humble computer goes where.......?


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beavis wrote:And the humble computer goes where.......?

In the trash; ... to be replaced by messenger-pigeons!... emoticon


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Hey, the telegraph worked . . . kinda.

We could always just enslave Microsoft technicians and dictate to them.

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C Berenice wrote:


beavis wrote:And the humble computer goes where.......?

In the trash; ... to be replaced by messenger-pigeons!... emoticon



But that would take too long to stir people up. emoticon

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because of third world debt millions may starve, but is it money itself or the people that demand repayment?

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money is the answer to a failed bartering system.
It was made as a universal medium.

It actually used to be gold and silver (in varying degrees)
but that system kinda died too, so we have the same idea but based on mutual trust. Paper curency is rather odd if you really think about it :)

And no, money is not the root of all evil.

The root of all evil is Pride (not the oh, I'm so proud that my son made the team pride. The I don't care about you, cuz you're not me pride) aka "looking out for number one"

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Interesting. I would have said greed. Pride doesn't bother me so much, although it can be annoying.
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well, true greed is bad....but greed is a form of pride.

when you get right down to it, everything that we can do bad is a form of pride (putting ourselves above others).

stealing (duh, me take from you)
killing (you not worth living, me better)
cheating (me need be best no matter what)
Greed (me want more)
Lying (you not important, I tell you what I want to)


just an observation. most people don't think of it that deep, but when you get right down to it, all crime boils down to pride.

On another note, money can be quite useful when used:
a. in moderation
b. for a good purpose
c. not accumulated for the sake of accumulation

We could not feed the homeless if we had no money. We couldn't do much at all in today's society. So, money is not inherently bad, just as TV is not inherently bad, or shotguns are not inherently bad, etc. It all boils down to HOW we use it :)

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What about certain asian cultures, in which morality is partially built around pride? ie - maintaining the family honor is what inspires acts of kindness, respect, etc.?
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honor is different from pride


actually I believe the definition you are thinking of for pride (and that most people use for pride) is closer in meaning to honor.

I was speaking about another meaning (the original one), little used nowadays, but I can't think of a better word for it.

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Interesting. I've never understood the "pride" portion of the deadly sins list. Honor would be what I associate that particular word with. Being "prideful" is a negative trait, for instance, but "taking pride in your work" is a positive one. Anything you could do to explain the meaning of the word "pride" as it applies to the "sin" of pride would be quite interesting to me.
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sure Addi

I don't have time today cuz my wife needs the computer but I have a link to a discourse on the subject. Some of it may be a little obscure to you (mainly the people mentioned, and circumstances, etc) but should be quite informative :)

I'll be back to post some more

Discourse on Pride


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Thank you, that explains it quite thoroughly. You're right, that's a different definition than I associate with that word. I wonder whether that's due to translation difficulties (ie, the original hebrew word didn't translate precisely into latin and/or english, and pride was the closest), or whether the meaning of the english word itself has evolved over time.

In any case, the dividing line seems to be the enmity part, and that makes more sense.
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Glad I could help :)

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