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Could you clarify what you mean "without sin" ?

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Cool- thanks for the compliment Alpha.

As to what without sin means:

Sin is just a term that means doing something wrong. That is why the Bible says "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" because the simple truth is that all of us have done things wrong in our lives. Now, in human terms, we could say that some have sinned more or less than others, but that is irrelevant to God. God is pure goodness, and so even the tiniest sin is an abomination to Him.

Jesus on the other hand was without sin, meaning that He never did anything wrong.

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I assume when you say "doing something wrong", you mean deliberately. I mean, who hasn't walked in on a parent or sibling who is in a state of undress? Who hasn't bumped into a guy in the hall and made him drop his textbooks? Whenever a religious statement like that is made, it is always best to be specific. Some of the worst things in history have occurred because of misunderstandings . . .

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So, would "something wrong" include intercourse or relations/relationship with a person of the opposite sex? B/c if so, then I'd have to disagree that Jesus was without sin...what do you think Alpha?

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So, would "something wrong" include intercourse or relations/relationship with a person of the opposite sex? B/c if so, then I'd have to disagree that Jesus was without sin...what do you think Alpha?

Hmmm... I don't think that sexual intercourse (much less relation/relationship) with a person of the opposite sex, should be classified as a "sin", to begin with... In addition to that, suggestions that Jesus had this kind of intercourse/relation/relationship, eventhough possible, have yet to be proved as a solid rock case... Until then, I personally prefer to stick with Jesus' "traditional" image, while being open to any well documented suggestion... Got anything in mind on the issue?

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Ahlyssah wrote:

I assume when you say "doing something wrong", you mean deliberately. I mean, who hasn't walked in on a parent or sibling who is in a state of undress? Who hasn't bumped into a guy in the hall and made him drop his textbooks? Whenever a religious statement like that is made, it is always best to be specific. Some of the worst things in history have occurred because of misunderstandings . . .



This is true. I believe one has to be intentional in order for it to be considered sin. Good point and clarification Ahlyssah. emoticon

As for the sexual intercourse thing... my personal interpretation is that sex outside of a marriage covenant is a sin, but there are other christians who would disagree.

Either way, like Alpha said, there is no hard evidence to prove that Jesus ever had sex with a woman. Yes, he did hand out with a lot of prostitutes, so he mostly likely had both opportunity and temptation, but that is merely circumstantial. I personally don't believe he would have, but I'm sure you all expected that from me by now. emoticon


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Well, perhaps the Sun God was the Father; they just had a different name for Him.



The scripture speaks of those who left off worshipping the Father--Creator, and starting worshipping created things. The sun is a created thing, which the Father called a greater light--to light and warm the earth.

The sun was created. It did not create man. The Father is the Creator.
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A parchment fragment of the Gospel of Peter was discovered in 1886 by the French Archaeological Mission, Cairo, in a grave in an ancient cemetery at Akhmím (Panopolis), in Upper Egypt. It was first published in 1892. The parchment codex is dated to between the 8th and the 12th century.
Here is a quotation from the Petrine Gospel regarding AC's question.

<<...And the Lord cried out, saying, My power, my power, thou hast forsaken me. And when he had said it he was taken up....>>

Accepting that Christ was half human and half God (or Spirit ); that his spiritual power/strength had stood him many a good turn during his life and work and that this power, at the very last minute, succombed to the excruciating physical pain, then it stands to reason that he would utter the above, in desperation expressing a complain for the last minute failure of this power!

I am posting the link for more details. http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-10/anf10-02.htm#







The Father's Spirit was the power that was in the Redeemer. Not by power or strength, but by the Father's Spirit, the Scriptures say. When the body dies the spirit goes back to the Father who gave it. The Redeemer, of course knowing this, would humbly say-I commend by spirit into your hands Father.

The power, or rather Spirit that sustains us all is the Father's Spirit, not our spirit or our power. The Father can give abilities to whom He chooses, but whether, it is healing, tongues, prophecying, discernment, great works, etc., these gifts are all of the same Spirit.

Acknowledge the Father in all your ways and He will direct your paths. In other words, give credit where credit is due, and the Father will see your humility. Those who are humble are exalted, and those who are proud are abased. In the Redeemer's humility the Father made Him second to HIm on the throne and exalted Him. But one must trust in the Father unto the end, which is what the Redeemer did, knowing that the Father would resurrect Him and restore Him with Himself, as they were before the world began. In relying on the Father, and not our own "power" or strength, we show our trust or faith==and faith is what pleases the Father.
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The scripture speaks of those who left off worshipping the Father--Creator, and starting worshipping created things. The sun is a created thing, which the Father called a greater light--to light and warm the earth.

The sun was created. It did not create man. The Father is the Creator.



With all due respect, sir, if it had not been for the stars themsleves, there would never have been any human beings to come up with the concept of God. I know you probably don't want to hear it, but all life on this planet is the result of the explosion of a star, a supernova. Every single element in the periodic table was formed in the core of a huge ball of gas. So, a sun DID create man, and ours is the one thing that keeps all life on this planet in working condition.

Whoa . . . I just realized what I said. Is it possible that ancient peoples had a better understanding of life than we do today? emoticon

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Ahlyssah wrote:
Every single element in the periodic table was formed in the core of a huge ball of gas.

Everything but hydrogen, that is...

Ahlyssah wrote:
Is it possible that ancient peoples had a better understanding of life than we do today?

Blame it on Cortez and on the Middle Ages clergy in general that we may never find out...

Yes, Ahlyssah... Stardust is all we're made of... In fact, stardust is all EVERYTHING is made of... The very stardust found in nebulae like the one that shows in the backgroung image of this board...

And everytime I think about me being part of this glorious dust, it somehow adds to my inner peace... It really does...

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Is stardust anything like fairy dust? Cause if so, you may be able to convert me to your cause. emoticon emoticon

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Well, since EVERYTHING comes from stars, fairy dust IS stardust.

Convert! Convert, I say!

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I can't argue with that logic. I shall convert. I'll call myself a one of the fairy fayth. emoticon

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ofthe Father8 wrote:

The scripture speaks of those who left off worshipping the Father--Creator, and starting worshipping created things. The sun is a created thing, which the Father called a greater light--to light and warm the earth.

The sun was created. It did not create man. The Father is the Creator.



With all due respect, sir, if it had not been for the stars themsleves, there would never have been any human beings to come up with the concept of God. I know you probably don't want to hear it, but all life on this planet is the result of the explosion of a star, a supernova. Every single element in the periodic table was formed in the core of a huge ball of gas. So, a sun DID create man, and ours is the one thing that keeps all life on this planet in working condition.

Whoa . . . I just realized what I said. Is it possible that ancient peoples had a better understanding of life than we do today? emoticon



Talk about blind faith. It takes blind faith to believe the big boom theory than to believe in the Father and His Son. There are people today that worship themselves and the ideas of men that come out of the imagination of their own minds. Yes, I know they may have some form of lying scientific proof. But those who work for the Illuminati will come up with the lying burden of proof to push the one world agenda, and in it the protocols of Zion(or Chiun-the sun worshippers). Of course those who don't believe in the Father and His Son are going to come up with something that they push on the naive and gullible populace to further their agendas.

The big boom(hey, we just came about--now we can find comfort in the fact that we can do what we want and no one can make us feel guilty--we are the atomic men?

Then there's the monkey men--evolution-came from those who believe that we are beasts--there are drawings and writings of monkeys that are supposed to be gods. You can see some of this lure on dragon ball Z. Werewolves are also a derivative of this monkey god thing. Monkeys are beasts and we are supposed to eventually allow the beast in us to come out and become as we truly are-beast gods--aka-beast system, false prophet and the son of perdition.
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ofthe Father8 wrote:Talk about blind faith. It takes blind faith to believe the big boom theory than to believe in the Father and His Son... But those who work for the Illuminati will come up with the lying burden of proof to push the one world agenda, and in it the protocols of Zion (...worshippers).


F8, with all due respect, it doesn't take blind faith to believe something that, not only, can be proven scientifically but evidence of which are observed every time a new star is born.
As for the Illuminati... remember that -at least at their beginnings- they meant to PROVE the existence of God through science. The Illuminati you are reffering to are not the same lot! They are not scientists trying to find proof of creation through science. They are (or were ) people who adopted the name and turned it into this Zion order you mention. Also remember, that these fake Illuminati lot's plans, were to bring the Antichrist and PUSH religion on the world by which they would rule it. So, here again, scientists could have no (significant) place in this NWO plan. I won't go into that subject now, although I might on a different post later.
I just think its unfair to bundle all scientists in one category and label them as fighters against God.
I don't think that searching for "God" and trying to understand the mysteries of the Universe is a sin, Father! I think that, in fact, the oppposite is true!
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The Father's Spirit was the power that was in the Redeemer. Not by power or strength, but by the Father's Spirit, the Scriptures say. When the body dies the spirit goes back to the Father who gave it. The Redeemer, of course knowing this, would humbly say-I commend by spirit into your hands Father


I am not denying that the power within Christ was God.
It is that which accounted for the HALF God that Christ was! But he was also half human. As such he had all the attributes we humans have so it stands to reason that, as he feels the Spirit part of him which is God departing and leaving him with the last of his human self (and strengths), he would ask that question. He hurts ...he has every right to wonder why couldn't the spirit wait till his human self was gone before departing! Always hypothetically, of course!

ofthe Father8 wrote: In the Redeemer's humility the Father made Him second to Him on the throne and exalted Him...

Wait a minute; you talk as if Christ was JUST a human blessed by God rather than God incarnate. Isn't Christ supposed to be "God's Son" because he was born of a (human) woman but in essence God himself- or a part/ spirit of God becoming human through this birth?...Am I missing something here?
And another thing F8. When you are quoting from the Bible you make me wonder -and I want to know- WHO wrote these words and HOW, in your opinion, do we know (can prove) that they are, in fact, the words of God!...

 
 


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Talk about blind faith. It takes blind faith to believe the big boom theory than to believe in the Father and His Son.



This from a man who credits every single word in a book to be absolute truth. emoticon

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I am not grouping all scientists together, just those who secretly and some not so secretly work for those who are trying to establish a lie.

Hitler had scientists working for him. The illumanati have scientists working for them and many other professionals.

These scientists and professionals who do these things are not going to tell their hidden agendas.

When the elections were fixed in Florida, did anyone come out and say--It was me. I did it.


When they named the capitol-capitol, after capitoline in Europe, the mount of a temple to a false god--they didn't come out and say--This is who we worship and we named the capitol in honor of it.

When they supplied arms to Iran and Iraq, and then sold crack to South central LA to support the arms they were supplying--did anyone come out and say--yea, we are killing two birds with one stone.

When Bush armed these people, just to turn around and say-they now must have nuclear weapons--did anyone say--now we can go to in and take their oil and blame it on the fact that we must stop terrorism--when we know that no one would have believed our terror/fear campaign without us first arming them.

So many things are going on in this world that most have no idea of. They quickly question the Father and His Son when the real enemies are they of their own country, community, nation, and house.
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ofthe Father8 wrote:
The Father's Spirit was the power that was in the Redeemer. Not by power or strength, but by the Father's Spirit, the Scriptures say. When the body dies the spirit goes back to the Father who gave it. The Redeemer, of course knowing this, would humbly say-I commend by spirit into your hands Father


I am not denying that the power within Christ was God.
It is that which accounted for the HALF God that Christ was! But he was also half human. As such he had all the attributes we humans have so it stands to reason that, as he feels the Spirit part of him which is God departing and leaving him with the last of his human self (and strengths), he would ask that question. He hurts ...he has every right to wonder why couldn't the spirit wait till his human self was gone before departing! Always hypothetically, of course!

ofthe Father8 wrote: In the Redeemer's humility the Father made Him second to Him on the throne and exalted Him...

Wait a minute; you talk as if Christ was JUST a human blessed by God rather than God incarnate. Isn't Christ supposed to be "God's Son" because he was born of a (human) woman but in essence God himself- or a part/ spirit of God becoming human through this birth?...Am I missing something here?
And another thing F8. When you are quoting from the Bible you make me wonder -and I want to know- WHO wrote these words and HOW, in your opinion, do we know (can prove) that they are, in fact, the words of God!...

 
 



The lie that started with the Nicene council was that the Redeemer is the Father. The Redeemer is the Father's Son. The Redeemer came in the Father's name--in other words--He came to reconcile the Father's children back to the Father through His blood.

Example--Fred, a daddy, tells his son, Jim, to go tell Candy, Fred's daughter, and Jim's sister, to go to the store and buy some bread.

Jim goes as his dad commanded and tells Candy what her dad said. Candy doesn't believe her dad told her to do that.

Jim tells his dad that Candy won't go because she doesn't believe that he was sent by him.

Fred tells Jim, his son, to go to the store in Candy's place, and to leave a letter stating all that Jim did--and that Fred, their dad, did send Jim to Candy to get her to go to the store.

Jim goes to the store and gets the bread for their dad, and Fred, their dad, gives him some extra money to buy gifts. If Candy reads the letter and finally believes, then she will get the gift her dad had Jim buy.

If Candy reads the letter lying on her pillow and believes that Fred, their dad, did send Jim, her brother, to tell her to do to the store, and that since Candy rebeled, and didn't go, Jim, her brother went in her place, then Fred will give Candy her gift right along with her brother.

Now, that Jim was obedient in doing his duty and Candy didn't believe. Fred gives his son Jim an even better gift than his sister. He will be care taker of the house this week when their dad is out of town, and Candy will have to abide by Jim's rules. But Jim still has to abide by his dad's rules too.

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That is exactly what I am saying. When scientists and men speak, then it is the WORD. But when the Father and His Son speak, then it is probably not true.

Men wrote science books, history books, just as men wrote the Scriptures. But I am not gullible. I know men make mistakes. If there are mistakes in the Word--these mistakes are not attributable to the Father or His Son--their authority was righteous and pure at first, until satan and his men got their paws into it. I also know that scientists are men and those who write the many books we read make mistakes--and many intentional, too--not to mention their motivations.

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ofthe Father8 wrote:

Talk about blind faith. It takes blind faith to believe the big boom theory than to believe in the Father and His Son.



This from a man who credits every single word in a book to be absolute truth. emoticon



Ahlyssah, evidently you don't read my posts completely. You must just skim through them. I don't take every single word in the Scirptures to be absolute truth. Just as satan infiltrated the garden--he has also infiltrated the Scriptures through those who do his will.

but, it is funny how many people believe everything absolutely when it comes to something other than the Scriptures.

The Scriptures are to be read in guidance of the Father's Spirit. Through His guidance as the author and finisher of our faith, we can discern spiritually what is of the Father and His Son, and what has been added and taken away.

I question just about everything. Since I have been researching things, I have found lies in almost everything I have encountered. It all ends up being between righteousness and evil.

For instance, every man I studied in my English classes during literature were masons.

Why does one of the tarot cards have the twin towers on it with a man falling out of a window and fire coming from the top?

Why do we tell our children St. Nick gives them toys, when St. Nick or Ole Nick in the Webster's Dictionary means--the devil?

stars, tarot, truth, astorath, astaroth, all from the same root?

Cinderella--really means the fires of hell?

5516--chi Xi stigma--the Greek of the Hebrew Concordance-means Christ on the cross pierced--and is the mark of the beast--666.

Red cross sells donated blood to the hospitals--its really a blood bank alright--not to mention the contaminated blood they continued to sell to the hospitals, even though they knew it contained the AIDS virus.

No president ever chopped down a cherry tree.

Many of our telephones have a swastika on them from the telephone companys.

The passion of the christ actors and actresses were porno film stars and woships familiar spirits.

The name Vatican--really means--devining serpent.

African man fighting to tell the world about the AIDs virus given to his people in the malaria vaccine.

Sars, flu shots, anthrax terror, the columbine shootings, gun control, abortions, slavery,etc.

I could go on and on about so many other things, but they all are a part of the master plan.

What are we going to do today Pinky? The same thing we do everyday--try to take over the world!
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Ahlyssah, evidently you don't read my posts completely. You must just skim through them.



Well, even if she doesn't I do (as bored as I get being so long) but anyways, in the course of reading all the posts that i have. I have noticed that you write extremely long post to simply questions that could have simply answers, and even if religion has nothing to do with religion you ineveitable bring it up. It's obvious that you are devout to your religion and thats kool, not many people have the courage to believe in something and stick to it even when challenged. But you don't have to bring it up all the time. Personally, when by the time I get half way through the moist of your posts it turns into...blah blah blah, You're all wrong, blah, blah, your going to hell because you dont believe exactly like i do, blah, blah everything in the entire world, even the book i believe in and prove through circular logic, is a conspiracy. Like always, this is not a full on personal attack, just an observation and my personal opinion.

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I don't take every single word in the Scirptures to be absolute truth. Just as satan infiltrated the garden--he has also infiltrated the Scriptures through those who do his will.



Then how do you know he hasn't infiltrated half the churches and clergymen in the world? I can believe it after the Jim Jones incident.

But, even though you may not see credibility in everything in the Bible, you certainly stand by what you DO believe, and screw anyone else. And, i must say, some of your logic is rather flawed.


Why does one of the tarot cards have the twin towers on it with a man falling out of a window and fire coming from the top?



What deck are you viewing, the Lord of the Rings spread? Typically, Key 16 of the Major Arcana has only one tower, but as no two decks are alike, I'm sure variations will appear. Fo example, my deck has a single tower with flames toward the base, but no man. In my book, it depicts flames coming from above, and two men falling to their deaths. Coincedence? Most likely nothing more. The meaning of this evil card is as follows:

Change, conflict, catastrophe; overthrow of existing ways of life; old notions upset; disruption will bring enlightenment in its wake; selfish amibition is about to come to naught; bankruptcy. Reversed: Oppression, false accusations, false imprisonment; the gain of freedom of mind or body at great cost.

There you have it: the meaning of The Tower.

By the way, isn't it considered sinful to have any sort of involvement with magic such as this? emoticon


Why do we tell our children St. Nick gives them toys, when St. Nick or Ole Nick in the Webster's Dictionary means--the devil?



Because, if you truly DID research things, you would know that Saint Nicholas was a flesh and blood human being. He was a bishop in Asia Minor in the fourth century who use his entire inheritance to aid the needy. Click here for more information.


Many of our telephones have a swastika on them from the telephone companys.



Did you somehow forget to "research" the true meaning of the swastika? And even you didn't, what makes you so sure that an emblem on a telephone pole that looks like a swastika was put there by the phone company? It could very well have been placed there by a troubled youth! Plus, if you happened to read about this, how do you know it wasn't just propaganda or another damn conspiracy theory? People will do anything to invoke entrophy, it seems.



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Ahlyssah, evidently you don't read my posts completely. You must just skim through them.



Well, even if she doesn't I do (as bored as I get being so long) but anyways, in the course of reading all the posts that i have. I have noticed that you write extremely long post to simply questions that could have simply answers, and even if religion has nothing to do with religion you ineveitable bring it up. It's obvious that you are devout to your religion and thats kool, not many people have the courage to believe in something and stick to it even when challenged. But you don't have to bring it up all the time. Personally, when by the time I get half way through the moist of your posts it turns into...blah blah blah, You're all wrong, blah, blah, your going to hell because you dont believe exactly like i do, blah, blah everything in the entire world, even the book i believe in and prove through circular logic, is a conspiracy. Like always, this is not a full on personal attack, just an observation and my personal opinion.

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I don't take every single word in the Scirptures to be absolute truth. Just as satan infiltrated the garden--he has also infiltrated the Scriptures through those who do his will.



Then how do you know he hasn't infiltrated half the churches and clergymen in the world? I can believe it after the Jim Jones incident.

But, even though you may not see credibility in everything in the Bible, you certainly stand by what you DO believe, and screw anyone else. And, i must say, some of your logic is rather flawed.


Why does one of the tarot cards have the twin towers on it with a man falling out of a window and fire coming from the top?



What deck are you viewing, the Lord of the Rings spread? Typically, Key 16 of the Major Arcana has only one tower, but as no two decks are alike, I'm sure variations will appear. Fo example, my deck has a single tower with flames toward the base, but no man. In my book, it depicts flames coming from above, and two men falling to their deaths. Coincedence? Most likely nothing more. The meaning of this evil card is as follows:

Change, conflict, catastrophe; overthrow of existing ways of life; old notions upset; disruption will bring enlightenment in its wake; selfish amibition is about to come to naught; bankruptcy. Reversed: Oppression, false accusations, false imprisonment; the gain of freedom of mind or body at great cost.

There you have it: the meaning of The Tower.

By the way, isn't it considered sinful to have any sort of involvement with magic such as this? emoticon


Why do we tell our children St. Nick gives them toys, when St. Nick or Ole Nick in the Webster's Dictionary means--the devil?



Because, if you truly DID research things, you would know that Saint Nicholas was a flesh and blood human being. He was a bishop in Asia Minor in the fourth century who use his entire inheritance to aid the needy. Click here for more information.


Many of our telephones have a swastika on them from the telephone companys.



Did you somehow forget to "research" the true meaning of the swastika? And even you didn't, what makes you so sure that an emblem on a telephone pole that looks like a swastika was put there by the phone company? It could very well have been placed there by a troubled youth! Plus, if you happened to read about this, how do you know it wasn't just propaganda or another damn conspiracy theory? People will do anything to invoke entrophy, it seems.




Most of the churches today are satan's churches. They are the false church system, Babylon the great whore. The Father tells us to come out of her my people. The church has become a whore because she used to be faithful to the Father and His Son, but now they are faithful to satan, through spiritual rape. They think they are intercoursing with their Husband, but in reality, it is the evil one. Some know, and many are deceived.

It has been so long, and I don't have the web site, but it was as I described, and the words were something like-when the towers fall--our king will come. Now, those might not be the exact words, but they are pretty close.

Concerning checking out these sites in comparison with my religion--The Scripture says that we are not ignorant of satan's devices. Before a man goes to war, he must study his enemy. He must know or seek to know his foe's weaknesses and strengths. Those who do not study and read outside of their religion, really do not know what their religion is or can be. (don't start with the am I your enemy stuff, please!)

If I didn't know about the fact that other religions say men are gods, then I would not have known the deception that many were preaching on tv, when they said "You are not like god. You are god."

If I had not studied Aryanism. Then when Andrew Murray said that all the races besides caucasions came from the man and woman created before Adam and Eve. Then I could have been deceived. I knew instantly what he taught because I had read up on it.

Yes, they tell you of St. Nicholas to cover up the deception, just in case someone found what I found. Then it could be explained away. I have noticed that they do this alot--a back up plan-just in case someone does find out the real info on what they truly mean.

I said the telephones, not poles. Yes, I researched the swastika and it is supposed to mean peace and love. The indians(not those of India) were using it before Hitler.

But what did it mean to those initiated? That is the question, not what we have been told it means. They always have one version for the deceived, and then one version for those who really know and are of the initiated.

 
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The peace symbol we use today is really not a peace symbol at all, well, not for those who believe in the Father and the Son. Nero used this symbol on his banner as he went about murdering those who believed in the Redeemer.
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I researched the swastika and it is supposed to mean peace and love. The indians(not those of India) were using it before Hitler.




The original native american differed slightly from Hitler's version.


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Somewhere in this thread there was a challenge regarding the exact word of Christ. I looked them up in the Strong's Concordance (a very recognized authority) and it said:


Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani. The Hebrew form, as Elio, Elio, etc., is the Syro-Chaldaic (the common language in use by the Jews in the time of Christ) of the first words of the twenty second Psalm; they mean "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"



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