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Every person/religion has a different take on where the bad guys go after they die....what do you think?
(Not a "who goes there", but "what is it like" question)

I've got two thoughts on the subject:

1. What if Hell is actually a Black Hole...."One Way Trips" are not only possible, but likely ;) It would make sense. It would be the perfect prison for the unrepentant. Squished into an infinitely small dot for eternity.

2. This is actually what I believe: I don't think people actually "Burn in Hell". I think fire is too much even for Satan. He is a creature of darkness and I think even fire gives off too much light for him. So I believe that instead of being a very hot place, I think it is a very COLD place. Dark, Cold (and maybe wet, just for kicks). Lonley as ...well, you know ;)

what do you all think?

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I think there is no such thing, to begin with!!!...
Provided that we accept the after life, I think that death, is not only the vessel via which the soul moves to the next plain but the means for it to understand and assess all of the knowledge acquired while in this life/plain, through living itself!... Being bad or good, matters only while we are alive; death, through the gained knowledge and understanding, equalizes all. Plus -in my opinion, always- at the time of the a fore mentioned self-assessment, conscience, free from ego, pride etc., is the only and worse, "Judge/Devil/Hell" anyone can ever have!...

Simplistically put perhaps but I hope I will be forgiven as I am a little tired just now and can't expand on it... I will be back though. emoticon

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Hell exists. It is not some fire world where punishments are dished out by some devil. We are living in hell. Hell is planet Earth. The problems, many people face on this planet are more than enough suffering.

We do not need any other place to be judged for our ways. We are already being judged by living in a place where much pain exists. In many areas of this planet, people do not have enough to survive.

Natural and man-made disasters happen on this planet all the time. People's lives can be destroyed in an instant. Floods, earthquakes, fires, hurricanes, avalanches, famines, pollution, lack of medical care, wars, and many other terrible things can cause people to suffer.

The very greedy steal from those who have little to nothing. In some parts of this world, children work as slaves making products for wealthy greedy people in other areas of this world. Corporate greed and consumer wants keep the child slave trade going. Children are exploited everyday on this planet.

Where is the justice in this world? When will people wake up and see what their actions have caused for others? Next time, you go into a market place ask yourself where those fancy handbags, designer jeans, or other items were made. Envision the faces of the children suffering to make these items for you. Is their suffering really worth the stupidity of your new look?

Religion has nothing to do with heaven or hell. We make our own heaven and our own hell. No devil with a pitchfork and a tail is going to be as cruel as we can be to eachother. It is time to wake up as humans and become more humane towards our brothers and sisters in this world.

It is my own personal belief that we create our own heaven or hell in this lifetime. We create it by our own actions. How we chose to treat others will determine how we will be treated.

According to many religions, karma is a balancing out of our actions or a cause and effect. If we do good to others, we will have good things happen in our life or lives. Many religions teach that we are learning lessons through many lives. The soul choses some experiences for its own growth and development. We are to be responsible for our actions and will be judged according to the actions we chosen.

When we create a scapegoat be it a devil or a savior, we do not take responsibility for our own actions. Part of living is to learn to be responsible for our own actions. In my own opinion, Earth is hell but it does not have to be hell. It can become heaven if all of us choses to make it better for all who are our brothers and sisters. We are all members of the same race and family. We are all the human race and Planet Earth belongs to all of us.


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hypnostar wrote:

Hell exists. It is not some fire world where punishments are dished out by some devil. We are living in hell. Hell is planet Earth. The problems, many people face on this planet are more than enough suffering.

We do not need any other place to be judged for our ways. We are already being judged by living in a place where much pain exists. In many areas of this planet, people do not have enough to survive.

Natural and man-made disasters happen on this planet all the time. People's lives can be destroyed in an instant. Floods, earthquakes, fires, hurricanes, avalanches, famines, pollution, lack of medical care, wars, and many other terrible things can cause people to suffer.

The very greedy steal from those who have little to nothing. In some parts of this world, children work as slaves making products for wealthy greedy people in other areas of this world. Corporate greed and consumer wants keep the child slave trade going. Children are exploited everyday on this planet.

Where is the justice in this world? When will people wake up and see what their actions have caused for others? Next time, you go into a market place ask yourself where those fancy handbags, designer jeans, or other items were made. Envision the faces of the children suffering to make these items for you. Is their suffering really worth the stupidity of your new look?

Religion has nothing to do with heaven or hell. We make our own heaven and our own hell. No devil with a pitchfork and a tail is going to be as cruel as we can be to eachother. It is time to wake up as humans and become more humane towards our brothers and sisters in this world.

It is my own personal belief that we create our own heaven or hell in this lifetime. We create it by our own actions. How we chose to treat others will determine how we will be treated.

According to many religions, karma is a balancing out of our actions or a cause and effect. If we do good to others, we will have good things happen in our life or lives. Many religions teach that we are learning lessons through many lives. The soul choses some experiences for its own growth and development. We are to be responsible for our actions and will be judged according to the actions we chosen.

When we create a scapegoat be it a devil or a savior, we do not take responsibility for our own actions. Part of living is to learn to be responsible for our own actions. In my own opinion, Earth is hell but it does not have to be hell. It can become heaven if all of us choses to make it better for all who are our brothers and sisters. We are all members of the same race and family. We are all the human race and Planet Earth belongs to all of us.



wow, thats kinda like my thoughts, except in, like, essay form. lol.

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Easy. Hell is the place I work in

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The high school halls between classes. emoticon

Seriously though, I agree with hypnostar with the makings-of-zee-personal-Hell theory, from two viewpoints:

1) Coming from a spiritualistic disposition, I follow the schools of transmigratory reincarnation (the reincarnation from one form to another, instead of spending life after life as the same species) and Nirvana (achieving absolute enlightenment and reaching the highest point in evolution, for lack of a better definition). Those of us who strive to be good and learn all we can from our experience will travel up the ladder of evolution---rat, lap dog, wolf, human and so on---until reaching the ultimate form: the essence of the universe itself. In this form, there is no pain, no suffering, no lonliness, just a feeling of completness and fulfillment, not to mention knowledge of all things beyond your wildest dreams.

Those who are not good during their stays on Earth will start to move backwards in evolution, losing brain capacity and willpower, until they end up mindless creatures of instinct, such as ants or termites (colony insects have no minds). There they spend the rest of their many lives, until they shape up and start trying to move up once more. In this, there is no Hell, per se, but there is a definate Heaven. emoticon

2) Humans have created a nice litle hell for themselves right here on Earth. Our godless manipulation of the land, weather, waterways, and animals is turning against us as we speak. We chose to set up housing near the Mojave Desert. Therefore, can we really complain when another teenager dies from the bite of a sidewinder? We could have moved away from California and Oregon when we discovered unhappy pumas living in the wilderness, but instead we take it out on the cats when some moron hiker comes upon a mother and her cubs and gets the seat of his pants slashed up. The Soviets knew the danger of toying with nuclear power, and yet didn't follow procedures, and look what happened. It is the stupidity of mankind that will condemn us all to hell, even if it's our grandchildren who must burn.

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There is a place that the Father made for the messengers who rebelled against Him.

It wasn't supposed to be for man, but when sin came through the first two people, then hell became a place that held people too. Because of the fall, men that were not supposed to go to this prison, ended up going there. That was why death was feared by the good and evil alike. Because the Redeemer had to come and set this right, and deliver and save those who had no choice in the matter, and until the Redeemer came, all went to this prison.

Now, hell is really a prison. I wouldn't call it hell. I would call it a prison.

The Redeemer went down into this prison the scriptures say, and preached to the spirits that were there.

Some of them believed and were removed out of the prison. They walked the streets of Jerusalem after coming out of their prison.

This prison held the good and the bad because at first the Redeemer had not come. The prison, I believe, had different compartments which separated those who believed in the Father from those who did not believe.

After the Redeemer came and died and resurrected, He preached to them, and those who believed came out and are now in a place called Abraham's bosom.

Abraham's bosom is a type of middle place for those who have served the Father and His Son. The people stay there until the end of time and wait for judgment day, which is when they will then come before the Father's presence.

For no man has seen the Father at any time, and the Scriptures say that no man can enter the Father's throne until after that time.

I believe that the Redeemer though, visits the place called Abraham's bosom, because in the garden, where the Redeemer was praying before His capture, two of the Father's people were seen with the Redeemer by two of the disciples. And these two men were supposed to be dead. But the Scriptures say that the Father is not the Father of the dead, but of the living.

Now, after the Redeemer's resurrection, because it was through Him that salvation came, through His blood sacrifice for our sins, the people of the Father and His Son wnet to Abraham's bosom and the people of Satan, etc., went to the prison reserved for Satan and his devils.

Now, I would NOT called hell prison/ I would call living in this earth, hell. For Satan's name is Hellel, shortened to hell. Where ever Satan is, there hell will be. And I do mean the type of hell that tries a person over and over again, many times to their very limit.

I know I have went through pure HELL on this earth!

The lake of fire is the end for Satan and those who work for him. The lake of fire is Spiritual.

Satan is a spiritual being, therefore, ordinary fire will not hurt him, nor destroy him.

You can burn a person in fire, but it does not destroy the person's spirit. Only the Father can destroy the spirits that He, Himself, made.

Therefore, we read that the Father is a consuming fire.

Sodom and Gomorrah, the Scriptures say, is an example of the destruction that is promised.

I read somewhere that those of Sodom and Gomorrah were burned from the inside out. Kind of like spontaneous combustion. They were no more. They didn't burn in everlasting fire. They were destroyed and burned up IN the Eternal fire of the Father. The Father is Eternal. His destruction of His enemies will be an eternal destruction where those will never return again, not that the Father will keep them someplace and burn them eternally, but they will EXIST NOT ETERNALLY.

The Father says that iniquity will not rise up a second time. In other words, He made us, and only He can trully take us out. It is only through His power that spirits are destroyed and never come back or are eternally non-existent.

Now, I still have to do some more research on this because I still have some questions myself.

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1Peter 3: 18. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the spirit:
 
 19. By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

 20. Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1Thess. 4:
13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep(meaning those who died believing in the Redeemer), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

 14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent(come before) them which are asleep.

 16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 18. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 The Apostle told us 1Cor.15: 22-26:

 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

But every man in his own order: (1)Christ the (2)firstfruits(meaning those who first died believing in the Father); afterward (3)they that are Christ's at his coming(end time coming).

 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


Jude 1

[6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


2 Peter 2

[7] Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

[4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

[5] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

[6] And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;



Matthew 27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

[52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

[53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Ezek.44

(Ezekiel being shown in a vision the palace of the Father, the gates, the altar, the walls, and the different divisions).


[1] Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

[2] Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

[3] It is for the prince(the Redeemer); the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.
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Deut.4
[24] For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Deut.9
[3] Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.

Rev.19
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev.20
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.(first the physical body dies, and then the spirit is destroyed-which is the second death).

[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev.21
[8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Now hell was cast into the lake of fire. Hell was not cast into hell, but those in prison or taken in the bondage of Hellel were cast into the lake of fire. Now, what or where is the lake of fire?


Daniel 7

[9] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

[10] A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

[11] I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Isa.30
[33] For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.

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heaven, hell, god jesus and satan, these are all (in my opinon) just elaborate stories woven over many hundreds of years as a form of control over our fellow man.
not that man does not need controlling!

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Matthew 3

[10] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

[11] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

[12] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


Matthew 13

[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

[42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25

[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

2 Thes. 8

6] Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Hebrews 1

[7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

2 Peter 3

[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

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Prov.14
[12] There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

1Tim.1
[7] Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

[8] But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
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Hell is partially inspired by a real place near where Jesus preached where garbage was dumped and sometimes burned.

The mythological hell was created by the church later to scare people into REMAINING Christians. To a lesser extent, it helped in recruiting. Though if one didn't believe in God to start with, it's doubtful you'd believe the nonexistent being could send you somewhere after you died.

The ancient Jews did not accept that there was such a thing as a soul, let alone a place where it would go to be punished for all time. Any heaven would be one created on earth by obeying the Law. When it was said God would resurrect the dead for a final battle, that didn't mean their alleged souls were waiting somewhere. God could do what he wanted. Included bringing the dead back to live out of mere dust.

Modern notions of hell borrow heavily off other religious traditions. The Greek realm of Hades had Tartarus (that may be mispelled). "Eastern" (Chinese) notions of hell depicted the place as having politics like earth. Usually, as in the case of many "Hindu" traditions, this is merely a stopover where souls are cleansed through punishment of their sins in a previous life.

The concept of hell evolved just like the concept of the devil did. Satan was actually a job title in heaven given to an angel whose job meant coming to earth to test the faith of God's believers. It was easy to worship and thank God when your belly was full. The Satan would come down and have you starve to see if you still thanked the Lord.

The notion of an omnipotent God having a rival is actually silly to begin with. To the ancient Jews, God incorporated both the Good and Bad (Evil) elements, though most suffering was really mankind's own doing.
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I'd have to say that "Hell," in the literal Christian sense, is just another example of the just-world phenomenon; in other words, people want to believe that good people are rewarded, while bad people are punished. It's just another way of reassuring ourselves that we won't end up like that dirty old man begging for pennies on streetcorners because we've been good and made smart decisions. Nobody wants to believe that, "Hey, things happen for no reason, no matter what kind of person you are." That opens the possibility that even though we've made the right moves, we may get the raw end of a deal.

It IS possible that such a thing does exist, but I personally am not going to start breaking church windows and harrassing nuns to find out whether or not the Bible is right!

BTW, F8, what do YOU think Hell is? Not the Bible's opinion, but your own?

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That dirty old man might be one of the Father's messengers, or he might make it into the Father's presence before many.
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We are in Hell, do you think it could get worce than this.
If you think I am wrong read the papers, look at the television but best of all take a look close to home.
welcome to hell

Do not blame God for the mess we are all in, he gave us free will and we screwed up.
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I see this is an old thread that was recently bumped up, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Loud G, I like the imagination behind your first scenario. I could just imagine people getting sucked into a little dot, right down to the sound effects. LOL!

While I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, I used to imagine such places. My devout Grandmother told me that God would set a fire upon the earth after taking all the saved people to Heaven, and sinners would burn forever. But somehow I pictured it as some musty, dreary place with nothing but sorrow, hunger, despair, pain, torture, etc. But like a few people here have said, there is plenty of that right here on Earth. People are dying every day of starvation, diseases, war, sadistic torture, you name it. I think Hypnostar put it quite succinctly up above, posted back in February 05.

Well stated, Hypnostar!

Ahlyssah, despite my absence of belief on the matter, I love your beliefs the best. Regardless of whether it's correct or not, it sends a good message for people to take responsibility for their own actions. I do believe in a non-mystical form of karma in that, if you ('you' as in anyone) treat others nicely, they will be more likely to treat you nicely. But you can't just fake being nice, because people will see right through that act. Nope, it has to be genuine niceness, just because you want to be nice. Of course, some people won't be nice no matter what and will only use nice people as a doormat, but hey, ya can't win them all. emoticon

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Hell is where the heart is.


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This world we live in is the equator of dimensional dimensions.

The dimensional dimensions below are Hell and the dimensional dimensions above are Heaven.

This is why we experience a taste of heaven and hell here in this world.

Those who become enlightenned or who are gifted experience more of the upper worlds depending on their level.

Those remain stagnant remain stuck in this world.

Those who become consumed by carnal evils experience more of the lower worlds depending on their level.

When its all done... Heaven will descend to this World causing all the upper worlds to merge with this one.

When this happens... Hell will ascend to this World causing all the lower worlds to merge with this one.

Then there will be a complete seperation between Heaven and Hell causing there to be Absolute Hell and Absolute Heaven.

Eventually Hell will go through anoth process purging the negative energy from it until it becomes purified... then all of Creation will have returned to God for eternal heaven.

And then....


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You know, that talk on dimensions really got me to thinking. Supposedly, all dimensions are infinite in size, and thus have to occupy the same area. The way they manage this is by having a different composition, or "vibration" that is unique to each one.

I wonder if somehow we can change the vibration of our reality. People say that they believe in "vibes", both good and bad. Could it be possible that somebody with bad vibes can poke themselves into a hellish dimension with similar patterns of vibration? That might explain the Seasonal Affective Disorder. emoticon On the flip side, people who then have good vibes, aka, feel good, can poke into the more Heavenly of the dimensions.

So we essentially can live in both Heaven and Hell here on Earth. Which one you touch on depends on your outlook on things.

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Ahlyssah wrote:
You know, that talk on dimensions really got me to thinking. Supposedly, all dimensions are infinite in size, and thus have to occupy the same area. The way they manage this is by having a different composition, or "vibration" that is unique to each one.



Exactly. Each dimension is infinite yet overlay eachother yet exist on a different plane. Vibration is the best word to describe it.


Ahlyssah wrote:
I wonder if somehow we can change the vibration of our reality. People say that they believe in "vibes", both good and bad. Could it be possible that somebody with bad vibes can poke themselves into a hellish dimension with similar patterns of vibration? That might explain the Seasonal Affective Disorder. emoticon On the flip side, people who then have good vibes, aka, feel good, can poke into the more Heavenly of the dimensions.



That is what will happen. The negative vibrations and positive vibrations will eventually seperate to become absolute hell and absolute heaven. And the hell will eventually be purified.

Science has proven that everything in the universe is made of particles of light and is composed by waves of sound. So the belief in vibes is actually a true thing. If every particle is made of the same thing and composed of the same thing then everything actually thrives on emotion (vibration)

Seasonal Affective Disorder? Im not familiar with that term. What is that?


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So we essentially can live in both Heaven and Hell here on Earth. Which one you touch on depends on your outlook on things.



Yup....l we all taste both, some people experience more of hell than others... some people expereince more of heaven than others... it all depends on the consiousness of the individual.

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Seasonal Affective Disorder refers to a kind of depression that sets in during the winter months, the "Winter Blues" if you will. It is caused partially by a decrease in direct sunlight, or so sayeth the Psychology Text Book of Horrors.

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1Peter 3: 18. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the spirit:
 
 19. By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Catholics take that to mean purgatory.
This is kinda long but it's from the wrtings of JPII.He begins with Heaven. I think in order to understand hell then we have to understand heaven.So this is how it is written;imho he explains very well.Various references to scripture.Hope it makes sense;
Heaven Hell Purgatory
Heaven is Fullness of Communion with God

Heaven as the fullness of communion with God was the theme of the Holy Father's catechesis at the General Audience of 21 July 1999. Heaven "is neither an abstraction not a physical place in the clouds, but a living, personal relationship with the Holy Trinity. It is our meeting with the Father which takes place in the risen Christ through the communion of the Holy Spirit," the Pope said.

1. When the form of this world has passed away, those who have welcomed God into their lives and have sincerely opened themselves to his love, at least at the moment of death, will enjoy that fullness of communion with God which is the goal of human life.

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches, "this perfect life with the Most Holy Trinity this communion of life and love with the Trinity, with the Virgin Mary, the angels and all the blessed is called "heaven'. Heaven is the ultimate end and fulfilment of the deepest human longings, the state of supreme, definitive happiness" (n.1024).

Today we will try to understand the biblical meaning of "heaven", in order to have a better understanding of the reality to which this expression refers.

2. In biblical language "heaven"", when it is joined to the "earth", indicates part of the universe. Scripture says about creation: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Gn 1:1).

Heaven is the transcendent dwelling-place of the living God

Metaphorically speaking, heaven is understood as the dwelling-place of God, who is thus distinguished from human beings (cf. Ps 104:2f.; 115:16; Is 66:1). He sees and judges from the heights of heaven (cf. Ps 113:4-9) and comes down when he is called upon (cf. Ps 18:9, 10; 144:5). However the biblical metaphor makes it clear that God does not identify himself with heaven, nor can he be contained in it (cf. 1 Kgs 8:27); and this is true, even though in some passages of the First Book of the Maccabees "Heaven" is simply one of God's names (1 Mc 3:18, 19, 50, 60; 4:24, 55).

The depiction of heaven as the transcendent dwelling-place of the living God is joined with that of the place to which believers, through grace, can also ascend, as we see in the Old Testament accounts of Enoch (cf. Gn 5:24) and Elijah (cf. 2 Kgs 2:11). Thus heaven becomes an image of life in God. In this sense Jesus speaks of a "reward in heaven" (Mt 5:12) and urges people to "lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven" (ibid., 6:20; cf. 19:21).

3. The New Testament amplifies the idea of heaven in relation to the mystery of Christ. To show that the Redeemer's sacrifice acquires perfect and definitive value, the Letter to the Hebrews says that Jesus "passed through the heavens" (Heb 4:14), and "entered, not into a sanctuary made with hands, a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself" (ibid., 9:24). Since believers are loved in a special way by the Father, they are raised with Christ and made citizens of heaven. It is worthwhile listening to what the Apostle Paul tells us about this in a very powerful text: "God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with him, and made us sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus" (Eph 2:4-7). The fatherhood of God, who is rich in mercy, is experienced by creatures through the love of God's crucified and risen Son, who sits in heaven on the right hand of the Father as Lord.

4. After the course of our earthly life, participation in complete intimacy with the Father thus comes through our insertion into Christ's paschal mystery. St Paul emphasizes our meeting with Christ in heaven at the end of time with a vivid spatial image: "Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words" (1 Thes 4:17-18).

Sacramental life is anticipation of heaven

In the context of Revelation, we know that the "heaven" or "happiness" in which we will find ourselves is neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but a living, personal relationship with the Holy Trinity. It is our meeting with the Father which takes place in the risen Christ through the communion of the Holy Spirit.

It is always necessary to maintain a certain restraint in describing these "ultimate realities" since their depiction is always unsatisfactory. Today, personalist language is better suited to describing the state of happiness and peace we will enjoy in our definitive communion with God.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church sums up the Church's teaching on this truth: "By his death and Resurrection, Jesus Christ has "opened' heaven to us. The life of the blessed consists in the full and perfect possession of the fruits of the redemption accomplished by Christ. He makes partners in his heavenly glorification those who have believed in him and remained faithful to his will. Heaven is the blessed community of all who are perfectly incorporated into Christ" (n. 1026).

5. This final state, however, can be anticipated in some way today in sacramental life, whose centre is the Eucharist, and in the gift of self through fraternal charity. If we are able to enjoy properly the good things that the Lord showers upon us every day, we will already have begun to experience that joy and peace which one day will be completely ours. We know that on this earth everything is subject to limits, but the thought of the "ultimate" realities helps us to live better the "penultimate" realities. We know that as we pass through this world we are called to seek "the things that are above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God" (Col 3:1), in order to be with him in the eschatological fulfilment, when the Spirit will fully reconcile with the Father "all things, whether on earth or in heaven" (Col 1:20).

To the English-speaking pilgrims and visitors the Holy Father said:

I extend a special welcome to the young people taking part in the Forum of the European Youth Parliament, as well as to the St Vincent Ferrer Chorale from Kaohsiung, Taiwan, and the Taiwanese Native Folklore Group, accompanied by Cardinal Shan. Upon all the English-speaking visitors and pilgrims, especially those from England, Scotland, Korea, Taiwan, Canada and the United States, I invoke the grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ. May you have a happy and blessed summer!

Hell is the State of Those who Reject God

At the General Audience of Wednesday, 28 July 1999, the Holy Father reflected on hell as the definitive rejection of God. In his catechesis, the Pope said that care should be taken to interpret correctly the images of hell in Sacred Scripture, and explained that "hell is the ultimate consequence of sin itself... Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy".

1. God is the infinitely good and merciful Father. But man, called to respond to him freely, can unfortunately choose to reject his love and forgiveness once and for all, thus separating himself for ever from joyful communion with him. It is precisely this tragic situation that Christian doctrine explains when it speaks of eternal damnation or hell. It is not a punishment imposed externally by God but a development of premises already set by people in this life. The very dimension of unhappiness which this obscure condition brings can in a certain way be sensed in the light of some of the terrible experiences we have suffered which, as is commonly said, make life "hell".

In a theological sense however, hell is something else: it is the ultimate consequence of sin itself, which turns against the person who committed it. It is the state of those who definitively reject the Father's mercy, even at the last moment of their life.

Hell is a state of eternal damnation

2. To describe this reality Sacred Scripture uses a symbolical language which will gradually be explained. In the Old Testament the condition of the dead had not yet been fully disclosed by Revelation. Moreover it was thought that the dead were amassed in Sheol, a land of darkness (cf. Ez. 28:8; 31:14; Jb. 10:21f.; 38:17; Ps 30:10; 88:7, 13), a pit from which one cannot reascend (cf. Jb. 7:9), a place in which it is impossible to praise God (cf. Is 38:18; Ps 6:6).

The New Testament sheds new light on the condition of the dead, proclaiming above all that Christ by his Resurrection conquered death and extended his liberating power to the kingdom of the dead.

Redemption nevertheless remains an offer of salvation which it is up to people to accept freely. This is why they will all be judged "by what they [have done]" (Rv 20:13). By using images, the New Testament presents the place destined for evildoers as a fiery furnace, where people will "weep and gnash their teeth" (Mt 13:42; cf. 25:30, 41), or like Gehenna with its "unquenchable fire" (Mk 9:43). All this is narrated in the parable of the rich man, which explains that hell is a place of eternal suffering, with no possibility of return, nor of the alleviation of pain (cf. Lk. 16:19-3 1).

The Book of Revelation also figuratively portrays in a "pool of fire" those who exclude themselves from the book of life, thus meeting with a "second death" (Rv. 20:13f.). Whoever continues to be closed to the Gospel is therefore preparing for 'eternal destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might" (2 Thes 1:9).

3. The images of hell that Sacred Scripture presents to us must be correctly interpreted. They show the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God. Rather* than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy. This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes the truths of faith on this subject: "To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called 'hell'" (n. 1033).

"Eternal damnation", therefore, is not attributed to God's initiative because in his merciful love he can only desire the salvation of the beings he created. In reality, it is the creature who closes himself to his love. Damnation consists precisely in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person and confirmed with death that seals his choice for ever. God's judgement ratifies this state.


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