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http://www.reandev.com/taliban/

Sadly, most of these people honestly believe what they say, and that spewing this garbage makes them "true Christians." Perhaps re-reading their bibles might be a good time investment for them.
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Wow . . . I'd ask if this was a joke site, if I didn't know how stupid the human race can be at times.

Man . . . this really makes me want to cast an ignorance-protection spell over elementary schools. Kinda makes you feel bad for the kids who have to put up with this crap.

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I didn't know it was that bad.

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Any of you who don't know "The Handmaiden's Tale" by Margaret Atwood should read it as soon as possible. It's an eye-opener. Thing is, the United States are moving more and more toward the inhuman system described in there.

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I can understand people having such views and opinions but I can't understand how any thinking people would follow or support those beliefs... emoticon

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I can't understand how any thinking people would follow or support those beliefs...

This is not an issue, simply because thinking people do NOT follow or support those beliefs... If they did, then they wouldn't be classified as "thinking people"...

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Well, one of the tools of both organized religion political regimes is the "herd" instinct of human beings. Basically, if you encourage a person to get on the bandwagon, and show them that "everybody's doing it," they will likely climb in the back and start waving whatever flag or banner you want them to. Hitler used it to create the Third Reich (among other procedures), and now Jerry Falwell's using it to get money for his, ahem, "church," and gain support in the world of Televised Sermons. Yes, it's sad, but everybody's been asked, at one point or another, the old question, "If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you join 'em?" And in every case, the answer would be "Yes."

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Not every case, Alyssah. Even neitzche wasn't that pessimistic. emoticon
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Well, let's just hope some of these kids today grow into their common sense before throwing themselves head first into the rushing waters of theology . . . cuz remember, conformity is bread and butter to high school students.



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Depends on the high school student. emoticon
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hah, conformity, i spit on it, just like everyone else....

anyways, i actually found one or two funny, to be honest, but i can belive people honestly think this. most christian groups are exclusivists; only they will go to heaven, noone else will, and the best thing to do is convert everyone. jahovas witnesses are mostly like that... in england, i dont think you get all this religiouse stuff so bad, except for the whole king and queen thing. no offence anyone, but some american things are amasingly stupid. like forcing religion onto people. AA for example, your made to go there by court, where you get converted into a christian. if you dont go, your sent to jail. i dont even think its about curing people anymore, since theres only around 2% of people who actually get cured through it. theres several other cures, all of which are more successfull, but AA is the christian way...

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What's AA? Even though I should probably know this, but it's been a week and three days since I graduated, so most of my knowledge is long forgotten.

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Spread hate and call it love. Lead others down a path of violence and claim it is being a good christian. God is not in these actions or in these people's concepts of reality.

I left the church because of people like these people. People who were greedy, evil, hateful, liars, theives, envious, and uncaring towards others. People who could not accept others for their faults as well as their perfections. People who hid their own evil lustful thoughts while at the same time only paying lip service in church to the teachings Jesus. On Sunday or Saturday, these people would cry out to be forgiven and shout "Praise the Lord". The next day, they would be back to their normal hateful selves. Judging others who did not live up their false standards of perfection. The gossip and spreading of tales about someone else. Stabbing eachother in the back with their words. Preaching against adultery, homosexuality, premartal sex while they themselves either considered the ideas or committed the very actions they spoke against. Hypocrites and evil while pretending to be other than themselves. Why the falsehood?

It kind of reminds me of a story where Jesus is writing with a stick in the ground and he is talking to a group of people. The religious leaders bring in a woman they say was caught in the act of adultery. Jesus just keeps writing in the ground. Perhaps, he might have been writing things which these people wanted to keep secret. Perhaps, he saw into their thoughts, hearts or souls.

The religious leaders asked him what should we do? Our law says anyone caught in the act of adultery should be stoned to death. Jesus just looks at them and says, let those individuals without sin cast the first stone. Jesus goes back to writing on the ground with his stick as one by one the religious people and those surrounding him leave. In the end, it is just Jesus and the woman left on the scene. Does he judge her? No, he tells her woman where are your accusers? Then, he tells to go her way and sin no more. He does not judge her or condemn her for her actions but shows compassion towards her.

Throughout the ministry of Jesus, he shows the outcasts of society compassion while at the same time he condemns the hypocrites within the religious community who judge others but fail to see their own faults, sins, evil thoughts or actions.

These people with their own words have already condemned themselves. Their actions are not the actions of Jesus but the actions of the people Jesus called hypocrites, serpents, children of the devil, and wolves in sheep's clothing. These people are not true believers in Christ. If they were true believers, they would show compassion towards others and not preach their poision and hate.

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AA - alcoholiks anonimouse, but spelt right XD



Oh . . . I thought that might be it, but it didn't make much sense in context with the forcing of Christianity and judges and stuff . . . I honestly did not know they did that. That's seriously messed up.

To hypnostar: that's why I don't believe that Christianity is really about Christ at all, at least the mainstream practice. To those out there who love Jesus and follow his lead, good for you. Personally, I think he's turning over in his grave as we speak from what people are doing to his religion in his name.

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    Though I agree with you on most these issues, James Dobson is 100% correct. That is not a hate driven statment, only a concerned statement, and rightly so. It is dispicable to think that it is wrong for somone to speak out at the demorilazation of a country. Weather you hate the War, or you hate the rapid desenegration of our youths upbringing, you should be vocal of your cause.
     I don't see any problem with Roy Moore being considered a "Hero" for standing against removing the Ten Commandments, it offends a very few, and yet the tail, for what ever reason, wags the dog. Gavin Newson offended a majority of the people by handing out gay marrige license. That offense many more!
     I agree pretty much with about all the others, but to call them a Taliban doesn't make much since, considering no one of them can really enforce it. The Taliban would carry out threats, these people only use word of mouth. J.B. Stoner makes me sick. I sleep well knowing that nut doesn't have much out-reach.
     Henry Mooris is definately no Taliban just for saying he believes in creation. If you consider him a Taliban for saying that, then Islamics, Jews, Buddist, Hindus, alll denominations of Christians and many more are all Taliban.
       
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I don't see any problem with Roy Moore being considered a "Hero" for standing against removing the Ten Commandments, it offends a very few, and yet the tail, for what ever reason, wags the dog. Gavin Newson offended a majority of the people by handing out gay marrige license. That offense many more!

The Constitution (every Constitution) is not there to declare the preferences of the "many", but to protect the rights of the "few"!...

Also note: Taliban doesn't have anything to do with the ability to be "enforced" or not; Taliban is a state of mind.

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 Gavin Newson offended a majority of the people by handing out gay marrige license. That offense many more!



No, it just offends the spoken "majority." You must keep in mind that only those people strongly against and strongly for gay marriage will speak out; the millions of Americans who don't care one way or the other don't involve themselves with such petty matters, and there are still plenty of people who are for gay marriage, but A) decided not to get mixed up in the war, or B) simply were not asked. Nobody has come to MY door asking me how I feel on the issue, so why should we believe that the recent poll numbers showing an almost even split between opinions are accurate?

The problem with these people is they all suffer from the false consensus effect; they believe that all right-minded people agree with them, and that those who don't need to be hog tied naked in the desert for the coyotes to munch on.

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     Unfortunatly, most of American who do care won't say anything. If you haven't noticed the American Media just states that its "unconstitutional" to protest what their calling "Seperation of Church and State."
     Most of Americans are opposed to gay marrage. Thats why most are red states and not blue.


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     Gay marrage is not a right in most states.
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What strikes ME as funny (the sick, disturbing, makes-me-want-to-die-and-leave-humanity-to-its-doom kind of funny) is the way how all these gung-ho Christian-Conservatives are showing themselves as the very evil they speak against. Now, The Bible mentions helping the poor, what, five thousand times? While there's nothing at all in there about homosexuals getting married, and only a very few passages that can be loosely interpreted as frowning upon homosexuality, and not a single thing against them getting married. How often do you hear about welfare programs or building more shelters for the homeless in Congressional discussions?

By the way: Democracy is about protecting the rights of the minority, not enforcing the majority. And the split between "for" and "against" is close enough that you can't simply disregard it.

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       True, many conservative christians do fall for the sin their condemming. There are refrences that frown upon homosexual life styles though. The book of Romans is loaded with sexual imorality. Sleeping with the same sex is one of the many, and pretty blunt in what it says. I can't remember of the top of my head but its between Chapt.3 and Chapt.12. In Romans it also speaks out against drunkerdness, and perversian. Its good reading.


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So what? Part of the point of this country is to protect the minority from Tyranny of the Majority (read the Federalist Papers if you don't know what I'm referencing). No one in a FREE country should be forced to live by the morality of another, so long as his or her behavior does not victimize anyone else.

The Christian Bible is not the law, and America is not a theocracy. No one has the right to impose their religion on another in this country. If you believe that is your right, then you must acknowledge my right to impose my religion upon you.
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    I agree with that last statment Addi, I was refering to the person who said the Bible " never directly looks down on Homosexuality."
     The only problem is when a homosexual couple rubbs it in the face of someone opposed to homosexuality, it angers the majority. The majority isn't just going to go with the flow. You have to expect contrivercy when expressing yourself. They do have the right to express themselves, but at the same token the majority has a right to express themselves which may conflict with opposing affiliation.
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Very true (the expression part). One problem I see is that a lot of people seem to feel that it's rubbing their faces in it simply for homosexuals to exist as a couple - hold hands in public, etc.

However, I agree that both the majority and the minority have the right to express themselves. But not via the law - not using legislation to impose their viewpoints.

With regard to the bible and homosexuality, there are different ways to interpret the passages in question. There's a rather interesting discussion of them here. That link was posted at another board I visit, and I found it to be a pretty good analysis.

Personally, I feel that the Bible has been changed so much throughout the centuries and been used and altered so often by man as a political tool that it has lost it's ability to function as a direct-word-of-God document, assuming it ever had such status in the first place.
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     Thank you for the link. Your correct to say that the Bible has been altered by man through the centuries to prove political points, otherwise unprovable.
     However, it is to simple to say, "well, thats a mistranslation," just because it conflicts with your own interest.
     On the other hand, Christ said, " Greater love hath no man, than a man that lay down his life for his friends," and "...love your neighbor as yourself." This includes homosexuals. They are not by any means to be hated. I do have friends who are homosexual, they are good people, but I still disagree with their life style.
     That said, the government has no right to enfringe on anyone's sexual preferance, but they have a right to uphold the constitution, in which a majority understands a marrige as between a man and woman. Though they believe that, the constitution doesn't actually say weather it was or was not ment to be taken that way.
     Its also true that most if not all the Founding Fathers wouldn't have thought it any other way besides man and woman.
     Again the majority will fight for their beliefs while they still feel strongly towards traditional morality, and beliefs. That might include trying to get the government involved. At the same token, others who disagree with the majority will also fight for their beliefs usually getting the government involved too.
     Here's the delema; both sides want the government to intervene. Like little kids that can't solve a problem without mommy, both sides hand all the cards to the government, ultimatly giving the government more power.
     People always say we're split as red and blue states. I say we're split deeper than that. We are split more in sub-catagories, the primary two consisting of traditionalist, and idealist.
     A traditionalist can be a good thing or a bad thing, as can an idealist. A traditionalist can uphold and even guard all the good aspects of a nation's history(e.g. During the American Civil War, the Union wanted to up hold the concept of a Nation United that their Fore Fathers had in mind. By doing this, great progress has been made.) On the other hand, the traditionalist can also hold up and even destroy an entire nation( e.g. 60's and 70's a Cambodian traditionalist government ,the Kamar Rouge, slaughtered millions of its own citizens for unreasonable cause in order to "preserve a more natural way of life." In other words an entire nation thrown back into the stone age with no possability of progress in order to give the government absolute power.)
     The Idealist can set out a positive goal of the future(e.g. During the Revelutionary War, those who signed the American constitution were putting their lives in danger, and many of the signers were in fact killed, along with many of their families for treason. This great sacrifice set the way for how we Americans are able to live now.) An Idealist can also take a pretty good idea, and turn it into disaster( e.g. In 1914 the Bolschevics rose against the Czar of Russia in order to create "perfect equality,"and "a perfect eutopia," which soon became a totalitarian dictatorship, especialy during the reign of Stalin. This resulted in millions of innocent civilians deaths.)
     I pray neither side pushes too far.
     I disagree with you though. I hope marrige is reserved for a man and a woman only. To keep a traditional, less confusing, and the way I see it more productive husband and wife relationship.
       Homosexuals can do what ever they want; live together, support each other, and hold hands all they want. I just don't believe they should get the benefits of a straight married couple.
     
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but they have a right to uphold the constitution, in which a majority understands a marrige as between a man and woman



Strange, I don't recall anything about marriage being mentioned in the constitution. Nor do I recall anything about the "morality" of the majority being imposed on everyone.

I do, however, recall an amendment that says something about government and religion being separate....I think it was the first one....and various Supreme Court decisions that have defined that particular clause.... emoticon

Marriage being a man and a woman is personal opinion and is a religious call. As such, the government extending marriage benefits to one group and not another is endorsement of a religion.


Homosexuals can do what ever they want; live together, support each other, and hold hands all they want.



That is incorrect. Homosexuals do not have the right to decide who gets to have control when they become ill, or who gets to be at their deathbed in an emergency situation. Some examples of the problems with the current situation:

http://www.geocities.com/cclgbtcr/newsmarriagevarious022603.htm

http://www.glad.org/GLAD_Cases/testimony_10_23_03.shtml#Jamie_Caron

http://www.glad.org/GLAD_Cases/testimony_10_23_03.shtml#Art_Sullivan

I can bombard you with links like these if you like. These are just three I happened to already have. And those don't even go into the people who have died in an ambulance en route to the hospital because the EMTs couldn't let them be together in the last moments - since their marriage wasn't recognized.

Now personally, I don't think the government belongs in marriage at all. I think there should be civil unions only, with no mention of marriage in the law books, be it homosexual and heterosexual. Then, each individual and each chuch/temple/whatever controls the religious institution. That is what separation of church and state - and freedom - are supposed to be about.

I do agree regarding idealist versus traditionalist, and I think there's even more shades of gray along the way. Also, analyzing the Bible does not equate to a mistranslation. Though while we're on the subject, it's likely that the "virgin" part of Virgin Mary was a mistranslation emoticon
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   The "morality" of the majority is not being "imposed." Rather being preserved by the majority. It is imposing to change the norm that most are comfortable with. Your going to make a majority uncompfortable for the pleasure of a few? Thats very imposing.
     Again, don't expect the majority to respond with glee and open arms.
     True, it is an amendment. One that does not technically specify, hetero, or homosexual marriage. The majority obviously see this as a protection of strictly heterosexual marriages, where as the minority see it as a liberating amendment to support homosexual marriage. It seems their needs to be another amendment; another contriversial text, subject to being picked apart.
     Scientificaly, a male and a female are the only two logical elements in a marriage. Nothing else works. Nothing else reproduces.
     Interesting, what do you believe the original translation really says about Marry? What does the "original" text in Hebrew, and/or Greek say . Give me direct translations. You've interest me. Either way, I can't prove she was impregnated by the Holy Spirit. It requires faith. I acknowledge that. I can't explain salvastion that well. Its like being branded or bought, that no matter what you do you can never evade the truth.
      
     


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"The Virgin Birth

    "The Prophecy of the virgin birth appears in Matthew Matthew 1:22-23. Matthew wrote this seventy years after Jesus Christ was born (35-40 years after he died). Up until that point no other text mentions Jesus' virgin birth. He quotes Isaiah 7:14 which was written 700 years before Jesus was born - thus claiming it was a sign, a prediction of the Messiah's virgin birth.

    But there is a serious problem. Matthew states that, due to prophecy, it is true that Jesus was a male line descendant of King David, and presents a genealogy at the beginning of his gospel tracing Jesus' lineage through Joseph. Matthew, apparently, like Luke and Paul and the rest of the early Christians, did not believe in a virgin birth. There are two theories that I see explain how this contradictory state of affairs occurred. (1) The first is that a Septuagint mistranslation of the word "virgin" instead of "young woman" caused the discrepency. This means that the prophecy is not that someone called Immanuel will be born of a virgin, but merely that someone called Immanuel will be born. In the original context of the story, this makes a lot of sense. (2) The second theory is that Matthew, writing for a Roman gentile audience in Greek, included popular myths surrounding sons of gods, who in Roman mythology were frequently said to be born of virgins. In either case, it is clear that Matthew's prophecy of a virgin birth was a mistake, and modern Bible's actually include a footnote in Matthew pointing out that the virgin birth is probably a mistranslation.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_birthnarrative.html




I originally came across the concept doing research for a project a long time ago. What I read supported the first assumption - that it was a mistranslation, specificaly due to the evolution of the meaning of the word through time. meaning,

As for imposing, so what? If you're never offended, yhou aren't living in a free society. i understand that there's people who believe the majority should be able to impose their religious beliefs on others. I also understand that it's unethical, that theocracies don't work, and that the founding father's specifically spoke against the "moral majority".

Scientifically, a male and a female are needed for reproduction. Plenty of married couples don't reproduce. So what?

Again, no one has the right to impose their religion on others, and defining marriage is religious. If people want religion to run law, that's what places like afghanistan are for. The constitution is the law of the land in America, whether the "majority" likes it or not.

Fortunately, the majority opinion is switching, and the majority of the younger generation supports homosexuals right to marry. So it's just a matter of time, in a worst case scenario.
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     Very interesting theory. I appreciate you explaining it!
     When did I ever say I wanted a therocracy? I have faith and particular morals I try to live by, that doesn't make me a Taliban wannabe.
     I'm not for imposing my beliefs on anyone, and I don't want others beliefs imposed on me. Unfortunately we are in close quarters making the rule of "No Imposing" is impossible not to break, and we must adapt to one another, which becomes potentialy threatening for either side.
     Most young people are brain-washed by radical, impractical media's, far more off-base than ABC,CNN,and Fox put together. They're called MTV, VH1, and BET. When I here any type of news reports on those specific stations, I feel as though I'm listening to dittsy middle, or high school student .
     The youth today are not disiplined enough. Its sopposedly "degradeing" to spank a misbehaving child. Its wrong to raise your voice at them. A visiting foreiner once said, "I'm impressed at how well parents obey their children in this country!" Thats pathetic!
     I'm not going to listen to any media that says, "wrapp it up," to eliminate the AIDs virus, when in fact an AIDs molecular structure is hundreds of times smaller than that of the latex used to make condoms, meaning its really only reducing the chances of spreading the virus about 10% or less despite the sales pitch.
     I feel sorry for my generation. The generation that shall witness all morality thrown out the window. To witness an ignorant, irrational generation that will inevitiabely be taken advantage of, and split apart. As it says, "Alas, Babylon!"
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